tv The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell MSNBC August 10, 2022 10:00pm-11:00pm PDT
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it's a hard look to put down but i got up. for that does it for us tonight we're gonna see tomorrow it's. time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. good evening my friends. good evening ali and thank you for bringing us that story about zak. i'm sure that someone in the administration was watching. i expect there is going to be some movement on this, there has to be. >> it would be great to have zak and people like him as an addition to our country. >> well, donald trump can't
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stop emailing me. he just emailed me again, just about an hour and a half ago. this one really urgent. the email says breaking like breaking news. and it's from it says the only official emails from official donald j trump. this email right here on my phone. it says, breaking, the democrats broke into the home of president donald j trump. there it is we can put it up on the screen this email that i just got. to me, it's very personal. it says lawrence, the radical left is corrupt. this is your chance to stand with president trump. please rush a donation immediately to publicly stand with president trump against this never ending witchhunt. this is to one of my many email addresses. it's actually the least email address used which somehow the
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trump email managers have found and they are suggesting once again the same contribution they suggested last night. they are suggesting $45. they figure that's where i'm good for. on the steele it's $45. but there is that problem deadline that's right there on the screen. the deadline which is right under the 45 dollar suggestion, the deadline is immediately. now i am bad with any deadline but immediately? that is just no kind of deadline that i can work with, so they will keep spending their email budget sending emails to me to raise money for donald trump to do what with it? what's he gonna do with it? and he's raising money because when the fbi raided his home. the fbi raids his home and they do it secretly, the fbi tells
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no one. donald trump's response is to tell everyone. that's how we know it and then to rush out emails raising money on the fact that the fbi executed a search warrant at his home. we've had 48 hours of public comment since the fbi surprised donald trump by executing that search warrant at his florida home and we will now present to you every single republican statement about that search warrant that is true. so, here are all the republican statements about the trump search warrant that are true. sorry. none, not one. i would happily sit at this
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desk and read to you every two statement by any republican anywhere about the trump search warrant if there were any. there is not a single true statement made by a republican about the search warrant. now in fairness most republican members of congress have managed to say absolutely nothing about it. republican senator mitt romney is typical. the salt lake tribune reports that senator mitt romney did not respond to requests seeking comment. but every republican who hopes to be president sunday has had something to say about it including yale law school graduate josh hawley at harvard law school graduate's senator ted cruz. he called the fbi partisan attack dogs for democrats, that was his phrase without
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mentioning that the fbi director christopher wray is a republican appointed by donald trump. senator cruz simply lied about the search warrant and the fbi. senator hawley offered a childish comment that merrick garland must resign or be impeached and, that christopher wray must be removed from office. and senator hawley said something that has been echoed by other republicans. senator hawley said quote, the search warrant must be published. the republican demand that the search warrant be made public be described as deafening by a cnn reporter online. deafening. and not one of those republicans is demanding that donald trump reveal what the fbi took from his home. donald trump was given a receipt of sorts for what was taken by the fbi. he could make that public right
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now and satisfy the deafening demands by republicans to reveal the purpose of the fbi search warrant. donald trump has chosen to lie about the search instead, suggesting that the fbi planted evidence, that they will now claim they found there. now that got instantly embraced by the most craven trump worshipers like senator rand paul and everyone at the fox propaganda channel. donald trump knows what the fbi found. donald trump knows that what they found includes evidence that may be so incriminating to him that he might want to assert the defence that the fbi planted that evidence in his home.
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donald trump must also know that the paperwork that the fbi left for him at his home would not be helpful to his public defence and his public fundraising if he made that document public as he could. and there is no deafening demand from republicans that donald trump reveal everything that he knows about the search of his home by the fbi. tonight the wall street journal is reporting that an informant helped guide the fbi's search of donald trump's home. the wall street journal reports quote, someone familiar with the stored papers told investigators there may still be more classified documents at the private club after the national archives retrieved 15 boxes earlier in the year, people familiar with the matter said. and justice department officials had doubts that the
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trump team was being truthful regarding what material remained at the property, one person said. two months ago, in just two months ago on june 3rd jay bratt, nationally security's person at the justice department had a meeting with trump and trump's lawyers at mar-a-lago to discuss records it appeared to be in a basement storage room. a few days later, jay brat sent a letter to the trump lawyers saying that a stronger lock should be installed on that storage room door. we don't know what's happened between then and now but the next thing that we publicly know is that the fbi served a search warrant for those documents on monday. this is how donald trump described today what happened on monday. the fbi and others from the federal government would not
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let anyone including my lawyers the anywhere near the -- anywhere near the areas or rummaged of mar-a-lago, everyone was asked to leave the premises they wanted to be left behind without any witnesses to see what they were doing taking or hopefully not planting. why did they strongly insist on having nobody watching them everybody out? to answer that question leading off our discussion is bradley moss, national security attorney, paul butler attorney of law and federal former federal prosecutor. he's an msnbc legal analyst, and andrew westmont former fbi special counsel and chief of the criminal to smidgen of the eastman division of new york. he's a law professor practice at the nyu law school and an analyst here. andrew weissmann, what about that description about the way the search warrant was executed,
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description by donald trump saying that nobody was allowed to watch anything that happened and that lawyers were not allowed on the premises. what is the standard procedure? >> let's just remember that the former president saying what happened we don't have anything to believe that is true or has been reporting that least one of his lawyers was there and that is also the case that there would be secret service and there would be other people who were there as well as surveillance cameras so this idea that there was no ability for anyone to see anything than the fbi is something that remains to be seen whether that is true. now to your question as to what is the standard procedure? when the fbi does a search, they do not have other people milling around in the area that is being searched. and that is because they want to make sure that the search is being conducted without interference.
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they want to make sure that the person who's there isn't picking things up, isn't moving things, it's distracting, and there's a whole protocol when the fbi goes into do a search where they want to make sure that they document very clearly what has been found and where it has been found. in fact, some agents are assigned solely to have that function, of documenting exactly who picked up what item in what location. you want to make sure all of that is done without civilians running around in the scene that is being searched. >> and andrew, do they video these searches? >> not in my experience. i have never seen that happen. >> bradley moss, you are the national security law expert here. as you look at what we have learned about this search so far, you look at everyone who's been involved in the story as it evolved to this point.
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what do you see might be the legal issues that donald trump could be facing here? >> quite simply, the legal issue is that donald trump the moment he left the white house and became a private citizen allowed classified documents properly marked hard copy classified documents to be shipped down to mar-a-lago in an unsecured manner. they were stored at mar-a-lago in an unsecured manner. they were not in a secure facility, they were not in any kind of place that was authorized by the u.s. government, these were not records that donald trump was allowed or authorized to maintain anymore. once he left the presidency, he no longer had authorized access except to the extent that joe biden chooses to give it to him. so there are several criminal provisions, most of them come technically under the espionage act, although this doesn't have anything to do with espionage,
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but they deal with anybody who removes woefully classified information and puts it in an unsecured location. that is what faces donald trump here. >> as you look at it legally, what there is a potential defendant as a former president of the united states cases involving these type of matters have been brought against lower level officials, and some fairly high-ranking in an administration. but what does the novelty factor of the former president's status bring to this legally if anything? >> that is very significant to the entire equation which obviously it adjusts the party has to be considered a right now. that is whether or not donald trump believes reasonably or not, that he declassified these records before he left. there has been some hints of
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that, former staffer has been saying that donald trump would be classify this. the question becomes, why weren't they markings addressed. every classified document has specific classification markings on them. they have classification stamps about when it was classified by whom, and what authority. that was supposed to be addressed and result before anyone could handle them as anything other than classified documents. and so far, there is no indication that was properly done by donald trump's administration. >> okay so it is not the proper procedure for donald trump to simply point to a cardboard box in the white house before he leaves, while he is still president, just point to it and say, that is going to mar-a-lago, and someone says oh, but it's all classified. and he saisd it's now declassified, right, now i appointed it, declassify it. that doesn't pass the normal rules of this classification. but could donald trump's defense in court be, that is >> he could certainly try and i expect that he will try it is ultimately becomes a
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prosecution in pretrial motions, to argue that. , that's how i declassified things. >> he could certainly try and i in this novel legal issue, we expect that he will try it is have no precedent for this. ultimately becomes a there is no case law. prosecution in pretrial motions, to argue that. in this novel legal issue, we have no precedent for this. there is no real guidance that there is no case law. there is no real guidance that tells us how any quite, whether it be enough for travel, quite an appeals court, but tells us how any court, whether it be a supreme court or an appeals court, but the supreme court, would do it because we never had a president, a former president, prosecuted for mishandling classified information once they became a private citizen. all we know, all we have, is the existing theory classification guidelines, the roles, that's all we can work off right now in terms of trying to evaluate and assess how this might play out. but we are in completely uncharted territory here. >> paul butler, they planted the evidence on me is a defense that has been raised in municipal court rooms. local court houses, federal court courts, and drug cases, in particular, especially for
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small amounts of possession in drug cases. how do prosecutors handle that offense? the cops, in this case, the fbi, planted the evidence? >> so, lawrence, back in the day, i actually prosecuted drug dealers who would make the claim that cops planted evidence. juries typically reject that defence. if this case goes to trial, i expect that the jurors would credit the testimony of the 30 fbi agents who executed the search warrant, more than donald trump's blabbering. to get a federal judge to grant a search warrant, prosecutors had to itemize all the materials that they expected to find, and the judge had to agree that there was probable cause that the evidence was at mar-a-lago on the day of the search. i think trump is running scared because he thinks the fbi found incriminating material during the raid. and i think he's also rehearse the possible defence in the event that he is charged with concealing classified material. >> so paul, just a state with the, they planted the evidence
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defense, what we know is there will be no direct -- we can assume, they will be no direct testimony offered by the defense of an eyewitness saying, i saw that agent plant that documents, in that file. that won't happen. the way that this defenses, usually mounted, on cross examination, it's a defence lawyer standing up there, cross-examine-ing an fbi agent and saying, in effect, isn't it a fact that you brought that with you and you planted it there. the fbi agents has no. and that's what the jury has. that's really all they will have. most likely, in that kind of defense. >> that's exactly right, it's a credibility determination. we have heard that there is surveillance tapes around mar-a-lago, and they might demonstrate places where documents might be concealed. or that trump was holding these top secret documents in areas that were unsecure. doj never talks about search
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warrants unless and until someone is charged. but lawrence, guess what, as you mentioned, a subject of an investigation can say whatever they want, and release any materials they have to the public. right now, trump and his attorneys have a copy of the search warrant, and an inventory of every item the fbi seized in this raid. if trump believes that doj is acting unethically, he should just share these items with the american people. >> bradley moss, what do you make of the wall street journal reporting that there was an informant, someone who said to the fbi, to the federal authorities, there is more here, and here is where it is, this is where you should look. what does that add to the dimensions of the case? >> well it certainly explains why the justice department chose to take this controversial step. choosing to actually execute a search warrant against the former president's personal residence. they had evidence not only that
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classified documents were there, not only that there were still more documents that was in the initial recovery in june, but indications that trump staff was hiding classified documents. in the reporting wish to that there was additional information that the fbi still didn't know about, that raises concerns about them that there is no evidence, no indication that they are getting true and honest cooperation from trump's lawyers, and from donald trump himself. and they can't simply allow this to continue on any longer. and they have to take this very bold and out in the open political controversial step. >> and with donald trump has to worry about tonight is that is entirely possible that this informant told them a lot more than just here is where to look. that he might have actual, that informant could have conversations, been a part of, or heard, all sorts of possible evidence. bradley moss, paul butler, thank you very much for helping us out of this discussion tonight. andrew weissmann, please stay
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with us, because up next, we will discuss another first for donald trump in presidential history. today, in new york, donald trump became the first former president of the united states to take the fifth amendment during under oath questioning by new york state prosecutors. that is next. xt i love all types of dancing... salsa, and even belly dancing! i am a triathlete. i've always been into health, and wellness, and fitness... i tried everything with diet and exercise, and nothing worked. there was just kinda this stubborn area on my stomach. but coolsculpting worked for me! coolsculpting targets, freezes and eliminates treated fat for good. no needles, no incisions.
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himself. in the 221 years since then, no former president of the united states has ever refused to answer a question under oath, citing the fifth amendment. jimmy carter has had the longest post presidency of any president, he has lived 41 years now as an ex president, who like donald trump, ran a family business before getting into politics. and not once has jimmy carter use the fifth amendment to protect himself from being charged with a crime in an investigation of his family business. donald trump only made it to the second year of his post presidency when he decided today, that he could not answer a single question put to him by the new york state attorney general, in a deposition because the answer could incriminate him. donald trump pleaded the fifth
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amendment to more than 440 questions asked of him in four hours. 440 times, donald trump cited the fifth amendment. >> the mob takes the fifth! if you are innocent why you're taking the fifth amendment? >> andrew weissmann is back with us, can you answer donald trump's question? he is asking if you are innocent, why do you take the fifth amendment? >> so, i think it's very important to remember that the fifth amendment and the assertion of the fifth amendment is a constitutional right that we all enjoy, and it cannot be used against you in a criminal case. meaning that we can't sit around and say oh the person must be guilty because they asserted the fifth amendment. that would be the case if we were all jurors and a criminal case. but we are not.
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we are public citizens, and in fact, in a civil case, the assertion of a fifth amendment can be used against you. and in fact, the very definition of asserting the fifth amendment is that, it has to be the case that a truthful answer to the question would tend to incriminate you. that is the standard for assurting the fifth amendment. so by definition, it is a sign of guilt. it's just that under the law, it cannot be used in a criminal case. so the president is right when he says that many people, i wouldn't say all, but many people who assert the fifth amendment do in fact have something to hide. and that is one of the reasons that in a civil context, it can be used against you. but it is important to remember that there are situations where somebody could be entirely innocent and they assert the fifth amendment because they are concerned about other things that could come out. there could be concerned about
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a gray area and the law. there are circumstances where that does come up. >> just to clarify, the fifth amendment is a protection against criminal charges. for example, this is a civil case that he is testifying in. in a civil case, he's gonna end up with fines. there's no possibility of any kind of prison term, or anything, any criminal liability in a civil case. and, so in a lawsuit, if someone invokes the fifth amendment, they can't do it just because the answer will somehow hurt their position in the lawsuit. right? it's that they can only use the fifth amendment because it may hurt their position in the lawsuit or it might not. but what it would really do is create a criminal liability for them. >> that's absolutely right. the fifth amendment, the requirement is that it would tend to incriminate you in a criminal matter.
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it can't be that you just think it will hurt you in that civil case. and so that is what is required in actually to have a valid indication of the fifth amendment. here, letitia james, the new york attourney general, it's going to be able to get an adverse inference, if she brings her case, she's gonna be able to say, i want an adverse and inference against donald trump on each and every question in which he asserted the fifth amendment. and that means that the jury can assume that the answer that the former president would have given would have been adverse to the president on those questions. so an example of a fifth amendment question in a deposition like this would be, is it a fact that you lied about the valuation of that property in this document right here on this lot? and donald trump's his fifth amendment, and then when you're presenting that to the jury later, what the jury is hearing, he is was asked if he lied about the valuation and he
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wouldn't answer the question and we have a right to make -- to take a negative inference from the? >> absolutely, and the claim there that was when he was seeking loans from banks he was inflating his assets and trying to look healthier as a business in order to get those loans. conversely when he was paying his taxes, he was saying that he was a lot worse shape so he would have to pay a lot less to the state and the federal government in his taxes. those questions are asked to the fifth amendment the juries are going to be able to draw a negative inference against the former president. having said that, lawrence if i was his defence lawyer that's exactly what i would've wanted trump to do that today is to assert the fifth amendment. he's in so much legal jeopardy that is the right thing to do from a legal perspective. maybe not from a political perspective but certainly from a legal perspective.
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this is an example where the people think the former president is not controlled and isn't that street smart, but when you think about what he has done, he didn't testify before the special counsel. he refused to come into an interview. he did not submit any statements into congress during the impeachment hearings. he is not testified during the new york attorney general investigation. all of those things are very smart, because all of those things are jurisdictions were if he actually spoke and submitted a statement and they were false, there was criminal exposure for doing that. he has shown remarkable restraint and i'm sure his defence council is very happy that with the fact that he is asserted the fifth today. >> i don't think we're gonna see donald trump answer questions under oath from a prosecutor for the rest of his life no matter how many questions they have. andrew weissmann, thank you very much for joining us tonight to really appreciate it. >> you're welcome. >> coming up stuart stevens and eugene robinson will join us on
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large out-of-state corporations have set their sights on california. they've written prop 27, to allow online sports betting. they tell us it will fund programs for the homeless. but read prop 27's fine print. 90% of profits go to out-of-state corporations, leaving almost nothing for the homeless. no real jobs are created here. but the promise between our state and our sovereign tribes would be broken forever. these out-of-state corporations don't care about california. but we do. here is the fbi director who stand with us. was appointed by donald trump responding to a question today about the fbi search of donald
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trump's home. >> former president trump is raising the possibility that the fbi planted evidence in his residence in mar-a-lago today. his lawyer today -- can you address a particularly -- with threats against your agents during the search? >> well, as i am sure you can appreciate that's not something i can talk about so i would refer you to the department. as to the issue of threats, i will say that i am always concerned about violence and threats of violence against law enforcement. that is a topic that i've been talking about frequently including earlier today with law enforcement partners here in nebraska and yesterday with law enforcement partners in illinois and iowa. and any threats against law
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enforcement including the men and women of the fbi as with any law enforcement agencies are deplorable and dangerous. >> republican senator marco rubio rushed to the defense of the fbi praising the justice department and the fbi for finally going after the con man. >> he's a con man. i think it's time to unmask him for what he is. a con man who's taking advantage of people's fears and anxieties about the future, portraying himself as a strong guy. he's not a strong guy, he's never faced real adversity before. >> sorry, that was my mistake, blame me completely for that, sorry that was marco rubio talking about talking to trump in 2016 before he began living every moment of his life in desperate fear of donald trump. this is what marco rubio actually said about the trump search warrant. >> this writ was about trying to disqualify a likely future election opponent.
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about trying to a timid a republicans and creating a distraction from biden's failures. >> joining us now is stuart stevens, a veteran of five republican campaigns. he's the author of it was all a lie, how the republican party became donald trump. also eugene robinson, pulitzer prize-winning columnist for the washington post, he's an msnbc columnist. and eugene, we do now have a congressional party very much in favor of defunding the police. they already defunded the tax police which joe biden is restored. and they centered in plain english, defund the fbi that's with the republican's now. >> it's amazing for me to hear the republican party, the conservative law and order republican party sounding like the weather underground from back in the day. the fbi is a bunch of pigs, they frame everybody, they're stormtroopers.
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it's just amazing, that's what donald trump has done to this party. he has turned it into a willing or unwilling cult of personality. some people actually believe in it, want to follow him, others like marco rubio or are too scared not to. and that's where the party i think is going to be until it gets purged of this man somehow and the way that will happen is through some massive defeats at the polls. until that happens or trump goes away some place, maybe gets thrown in jail, and then the spell will break, but that's where the republican party is right now. it's amazing. >> stuart as i said at the beginning of the show, most republican members of said nothing about this. that's about as decent as they
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can get on it. it's the rubio, the rand paul's, the cruz's, the hawley's, the people who have not given up the dream of getting some day those trump voters to vote for them for president. they are out there in this defense of donald trump. what is it like for you as someone who worked a republican party politics at the presidential level? what is it like for you to watch this? >> well, look this is incredibly heartbreaking. i spent years trying to help people get elected. i actually believed what they said. i believe they thought character was important. that they believed law and order and rule of law was important. i really don't think donald trump changed the party, i think donald trump revealed the party. i don't think people abandon
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deeply held beliefs in in years, if a udo lands and i'll change my opinion. that didn't happen with donald trump. you look at these people and they care about nothing but power. the language here is just so striking. they have adopted the language -- to weather underground like a narco cartel. it's about wearing iron, and flipping, in who's a rat attacking the fbi. it's not a governing party anymore. it's an authoritarian movement and i'm with that great liberal dick cheney, i think donald trump is the greatest threat to the country and people who support donald trump and help him are part of that threat. >> gene, one of the things about this position that they are taking, the ones who are taking it, that this is just an outrage, that this is horrible, is that they are taking it without knowing the thing that donald trump could tell them. which is, this is here is what i had at mar-a-lago, here's
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what they found, here's what they took back. here's what the fbi took. you might want to know that marco before you rush to my defense. >> i would want to know that especially given the experience of donald trump who lies about everything. we know what kind of person he is. look, he had stuff there that he wasn't supposed to have! i can't prove that but i'm pretty sure that's true. these people who are defending him ought to know that as well. but there is this fear. stuart is right, yes he revealed something that was there before, or a character that wasn't there before. but you just also see this naked fear of him and his base and what crossing or not
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supporting him in a loud enough voice could do to their chances of ever getting the support of that base. it's stunning, it's not a governing party, it is a threat to the country. >> stuart i know your father served in the fbi. i want you to imagine his your father at his desk at the fbi hearing these things over the last 48 hours from republicans. what would he say when he would come home for dinner? >> i think that's what's happened here is really an attack not so much just on the fbi but it's a continuation of an attack on the organs and the institutions of a civil society. trump attacks anything that opposes him. he's against the election system, we don't have free elections in america. he's attacked the judiciary. when he ran he attacks specific judges. he called one judge the a mexican american or something,
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a mexican, because that judge ruled against him in a case. this is really one of the things we have learned in the trump era, is just how fragile our society is and how much it depends on goodwill and men of good faith acting together. what has happened is the republican party has abandoned the concept of what it means to be an american. because to be an american has to be in a system where you are willing to lose, where you are willing to admit that you are wrong, or the other side has valid points. that's how a civil democracy, a civil society works, and republicans have just walked away from that fundamental building block. so we have talk of civil war. i don't think that -- i think it's going to escalate. you look at the history of authoritarian movements. god knows if they get in power. no group who was against democracy when they got in the power is now pro democracy.
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they only become more so. that's why these next two elections are arguably the most important since 1860. >> and that brings us directly to our next guest, stuart stevens, eugene robinson, thank you very much for joining our discussion tonight, really appreciate it. >> thanks lawrence. >> wisconsin republican ron johnson is one of the most dangerous and ignorant republican members of the senate. wisconsin's lieutenant governor, mandela barnes is now the democratic nominee running against ron johnson. lieutenant governor barnes will join us next, you just heard what stuart stevens said about the importance of elections like this. the future of the country is at stake. that's next. complete multivitamin plus an extra boost of support for your immunity, brain, and hair, skin & nails. new one a day multi+. for people living with h-i-v, keep being you.
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lieutenant governor of wisconsin, mandela barnes, he's wisconsin's democratic nominee for senate. thank you very much for joining us tonight. really appreciate it. as you go forward in this campaign, what for you, is the most important issue and running against ron johnson. >> well thank you so much for having me. and i'll tell you that the most important issue in this campaign is quite frankly rebuilding the middle class. it is about the people that ron johnson that has forgotten about in every corner of the state of wisconsin. let me tell you, whether it is his threats to slash social security, medicare, his disregard to veterans that were impacted by burn pits, or even going out against insulin cost, ron johnson couldn't be out more out of touch. and he has exhibited this felt leadership for the last 12 years, that is exactly why i'm running to replace him. >> what about one johnson's
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position within a republican party that stands against counting all the votes? in presidential elections? they are now supporting the idea that republican secretaries of states can simply change the votes and change the outcome of presidential elections. >> well counting all the votes is one thing for ron johnson's office try to send fake electors to mike pence. ron johnson doesn't seem to be too concerned over democracy because democracy isn't working out too well for the republican party. and that is why this election cycle is so important. our democracy is quite literally on the line. but we can not go anywhere unless we expand the majority and we hit on it earlier, on what this election means. the very first plan that my campaign rallies was a democracy and accountability agenda to hold people like ron johnson accountable. to make sure people who tried to subvert our democracy are held to the high standards, are held accountable.
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and we aren't going to see that type of leadership just happen on its own. especially not as long as he is in office. so for folks out there who are concerned about saving democracy, i will invite you to please go to mandelabarnes.com. because we need your help. this is one person who is in the way of exercising a fundamental right to vote. or even the fundamental right to choose. given the fact that roe v. wade is on the concern. >> when it was constant -- when are you gonna be able to do on roe v. wade, if you get to the senate, the senate would have the votes to basically turn roe v. wade into federal legislation and pass it that real legislation. would you support that? >> well i'm glad you asked because that's exactly what we are gonna do. that is what's on the line with this election. this is about restoring that right to choose. people and states like wisconsin, who now, we are
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under this 1849 law, this archaic law, that was written at a time, when woman did have a right to vote. women were certainly not participating in the legislator. drafting this sort of law. now with that being said, we here in wisconsin, we are one step closer to qualifying the right to choose. and i guarantee, i'm gonna be a vote for it. >> mandela barnes, thank you very much for joining us tonight. really appreciate it. >> thank you so much for having me. >> we'll be right back. i grew up an athlete, i rode horses... i really do take care of myself. i try to stay in shape. that's really important, especially as you age. i noticed after kids that my body totally changed. i started noticing a little pudge. so i took action! coolsculpting targets, freezes and eliminates treated fat for good. no needles, no incisions. discuss coolsculpting with your provider. some common side effects include temporary numbness, discomfort and swelling. you've come this far... coolsculpting takes you further. visit coolsculpting.com
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